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Kevin Rose Loses Control of Digg

In case you missed it, and most people who read tech news probably haven’t, the digg user base has revolted and taken control of digg. No, I don’t mean they stormed their offices and seized control of the servers or anything, but they may as well have. What happened? Someone posted the encryption key of the now hacked HD DVD to digg and it made it to the front page, then, the owners of AACS sent digg a cease and desist, and they caved and pulled the story. Someone noticed and resubmitted the story, which was also taken down, now mirrored here with comments and everything, and the rest is history. digg was down for about ten minutes because of all the activity on the site, people submitting the story over and over, posting comments and one story receiving a digg per second. Then, Kevin posted on the blog and said, okay, you all have spoken, well let the posts stand and fight it out.

But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you?ve made it clear. You?d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won?t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.

If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying. Source: Digg This: 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0

Not only has he posted the key himself, in this blog entry, he has pretty much posted it everywhere, as many will do just as I did when they link to the story, they will link to this title and, in effect, post it to their sites as well. If you look at the most popular stories of the past 24 hours, it is dominated by the posts, Popular Stories.

So, what does this man for digg and it’s users? It is hard to tell what will happen, will the users feel better about the site, because it gave in to the mob, will the users retain some of their disdain and eventually move on, will the founders ever be able to regain control, and what will happen if they piss the users off again? Only time will tell, but this is definitely a moment in social networking history, one that changed digg forever. And what about the MPAA and AACS, will they send another letter, go straight to a lawsuit or give in to the mob too? Danny Sullivan posted an article to explain DMCA, and, as he mentioned, digg never posted a link to a formal letter or anything, so we don’t know for sure what they received or how. This story is everywhere, with some of the notable quotes from other sites below.

To say what happened today on Digg was a “user revolt” is an understatement. The Digg team deleted a story that linked to the decryption key for HD DVDs after receiving a take down demand and all hell broke loose. More stories appeared and were deleted, and users posting the stories were suspended.

Until today, it seems, even Digg didn’t fully understand the power of its community to determine what is ?news.? I think the community made their point crystal clear.

Vive La Revolution. Source: Digg Surrenders to Mob

Couple posts from Mashable: This one talks about fund raising for the digg lawsuit that is sure to come, Fundraising for the Digg Lawsuit but didn’t really mention it in the post.

Digg is imploding today. Literally. The site’s million plus users have turned on Digg’s management, covering the entire site with an HD-DVD encryption key that the moderators were fighting to remove. You can’t even submit a story right now, and frequent 404 errors mean that Digg is actually Digging itself, with too many votes and submissions to handle. Source: NO MERCY – DIGG OUT OF CONTROL

From Freedom to Tinker,

My guess is that AACS LA miscalculated, thinking that a few demand letters would succeed in suppressing the key. As the key spread, it seemed natural to continue sending letters ? to do otherwise would be an admission of defeat. Now the key is spread so widely that there’s no point in sending any more letters.

The next question is whether AACS LA will try to sue somebody who defied a demand letter. There?s no real strategic point to such a suit, but even big organizations act out of spite sometimes. Source: AACS Plays Whack-a-Mole with Extracted Key

The Register says,

This episode provides ample illustration of its reliance on, and vulnerability to, a particular community of internet users, who have no truck with DRM and corporate behavior generally. One-time rival Reddit has seen its star dim rapidly since it “sold out” to Cond? Nast, which publishes Wired.

It remains to be seen whether AACS has the stones to follow up on its threat, and take on the Digg mob. Source: Digg buried by users in piracy face-down

From the Wired Gaget Lab,

Kevin Rose gets some stick from users at times, but he has to juggle the legal aspects of running a high profile site with the wishes of a very loyal and outspoken user base. Unlike Google, who caved immediately by passing on the takedown to Blogger users, Kevin is standing true to his hacker background on this one.

This reminds me of the controversy over Phil Zimmerman’s PGP code several years back. The code was considered a “munition’ by the US government and banned from export. It ended up on a t shirt (pictured). Source: Kevin Rose: “If We Lose, then what the Hell, at Least we Died Trying.”

Andy Beal from Marketing Pilgrim says,

Talk about a tough call. If Digg insisted on removing the code, its users would have likely continued their revolt and eventually may have abandoned Digg for another service – leaving Digg in ruins. If Digg acquiesced to its users, and let them keep the code on the site, it not only faced potential legal action, but the illusion that it controlled Digg would be shattered and the little people would realize they owned Digg.

Indeed, what does this say about Digg?s future? Will it be able to raise more funding, find new advertisers, or get acquired, now that it has been exposed as, not a company run by some smart entrepreneurs, but a living, breathing social network that is run by its members. Source: Kevin Rose Hands Over Digg Control

I myself received a letter a month or so ago, and eventually decided to pull the code and link from my site, but left the original story up, HD, Blueray Processing Key Found, as I don’t have the resources of digg or some of these other sites, so it makes me feel good to link to it and help fight the [tag]DRM[/tag] bullshit we have to put up with. Give up [tag]RIAA[/tag] and [tag]MPAA[/tag], you will never win.

Added: Okay, one more from Mashable, because it’s funny.

Found via the Mashable comments, a remix of the widely-derided Business Week cover featuring Digg’s Kevin Rose. The irony here is that Rose is known to be a BitTorrent user and likely opposed to DRM: the community is just a reflection of his beliefs. Surce: How This Kid Lost $60 Million in 18 Hours (Or Not)

1 comment - What do you think?  Posted by Jimmy Daniels - May 2, 2007 at 12:30 pm

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Todays Popular Tech News

Google has purchased some video conferencing software, no, not just copies of the software, the software from a company called Marratech. I foresee free video conferencing from http://gmeeting.google.com with lots of Google video ads and adwords ads to increase the bottom line a little. Add it to some software you already have, and herd users there.

As a company, we thrive on casual interactions and spontaneous collaboration. So we’re excited about acquiring Marratech’s video conferencing software, which will enable from-the-desktop participation for Googlers in videoconference meetings wherever there’s an Internet connection. Source: Collaborating with Marratech

Interesting. Om Malik suggests it could be added to Google Talk and that video conferencing is starting to take off as manufacturers add cameras to laptops.

If they are making a deal to buy the software for internal use only, then you need to wonder why this company, and why acquire a piece of software? It doesn?t exactly seem to be a good way of spending their cash. I think they might have bigger ambitions though, as it also tries to capture the small-and-medium enterprises with its office-suite. Perhaps some of the Marratech functionality ends up in the Google Talk client.

Conferencing – video, voice and white board – is now part of work life, whether you are a small company, a web worker or a large corporation. Source: Video reasons for Google-Marratech deal

Mashable says MySpace News sucks. I had trouble finding it as it wanted me to login, I don’t have a MySpace account, so I guess I will never see it, so it sounds like I am not missing anything. I guess lots of users are in the same boat, as they say it’s impossible to find on the MySpace site.

MySpace News has the advantage over Digg because of its huge audience, but they?ll need to do some substantial tweaking if they want to make this work. I feel the same way about MySpace Video: if they could make that service 80% as good as YouTube, it would win. So far, MySpace has failed to push that huge audience to its own services (think: MySpace IM, MySpace Video, fact that photo hosting is mainly done by Photobucket etc). Source: MySpace News?Kinda Sucks

Business 2.0 Beta agrees and says no wonder MySpace users are still using Youtube and Photobucket, and are not using MySpace IM, they can’t find the MySpace versions of either.

What is it about the Web that made Rupert Murdoch lose his taste for synergy? Offline, his News Corp. (NWS) empire is as self-promoting as always. But MySpace, Murdoch’s Internet jewel, can’t even seem to promote its own services. Source: Rupert, the Cowardly Internet Lion

The Google Earth ban in the Sudan is not because of the Sudan, it is because of US export restrictions which say,

SELLING TO SUDAN – Except for information or informational materials and donated articles intended to relieve human suffering, such as food, clothing and medicine, and the licensed export of agricultural commodities, medicine and medical devices, no goods, technology, or services may be exported from the United States to Sudan, either directly or through third countries, without a license. Source: Oh the irony: Google Earth ban in Sudan is due to US export restrictions

This in effect helps the current regime, and makes it hard for its citizens and aid workers to find information about what is going on in the country.

Be the first to comment - What do you think?  Posted by Jimmy Daniels - April 21, 2007 at 5:38 am

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MSN Reporter – Is it a Digg Killer?

Microsoft is trying some interesting social sites in some foreign countries, a service called MSN Reporter has been launched in the Netherlands, Belgium and Norway that is a Digg type of site, where users submit news articles and users vote whether the site is good or bad with a click.

Two things are most striking about MSN Reporter. First, these social news experiments are already being leveraged in the heart of MSN’s larger online properties – nl.msn.com for example displays the top four MSN Reporter stories right on the front page. AOL certainly doesn’t put the top Netscape stories on its front page – there?s a fairly arduous editorial process required just to get stories from the sprawling Weblogs Inc. network onto AOL proper. For MSN to put top social news stories on the front page of a primary site is a big deal.

The second big step taken by MSN Reporter is that unlike supposed Digg clones at Yahoo!, Dell and AOL’s Netscape – MSN Reporter users are able to submit links to pages completely outside of MSN control and no effort is made to keep readers tied to the MSN domain when they visit those sites. Reporter is an important sign that for at least one big player, walled content gardens aren’t as set in stone as we might think. Digg was a key market leader in demonstrating that a site can win in terms of traffic by letting its users point each other off site. Monetization is a big question that remains for these sites, but MSN appears willing in Europe at least to experiment meaningfully with the approach.

There are certainly differences between MSN Reporter and Digg, the most notable being the ability to vote stories down as well as up and the absence of substantial user profiles. Digg has arguably gained a lot of steam from the top users whom until recently won bragging rights from an onsite list of their names and contributions. Source: MSN Experimenting With Most Digg Like Service Yet

There are several write-ups about it

Can this be a Digg Killer? Probably not, or, at least not until Digg users get tired of it. If Microsoft does this right, like opening one for each country and then tying them into one big site, where the top stories from each country carry over and users can vote on them or add news ones, that might have potential. They could spend time building each individual Reporter up, like they are with these three, and it would have to work. I must wish they had an English version I could play with.

So far there has been considerable interest in the new service, with reportedly 500,000 and 800,000 users visiting the site in the 1st and 2nd months respectively. With articles getting up to 10,000 votes and 1,000 comments, this is a on a completely different level to most existing social news sites. This popularity does have some disadvantages though, with an increasing amount of spam now appearing on the site. What makes this such an exciting development however is that the top 4 headlines from MSN Reporter are displayed on the MSN.nl homepage, for all to see. With popularity like this, we could be seeing the start of new era of social news on MSN. Source: MSN enter social news arena with Digg competitor – MSN Reporter

They really have the new look Microsoft is giving everything as well, here is a screenshot. I expect big things from it.
MSN Reporter in the Netherlands

Be the first to comment - What do you think?  Posted by Jimmy Daniels - February 24, 2007 at 7:29 pm

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Aol Launches Digg Like Beta Site

In a move to take advantage of the large numbers of visitors they get every month, Aol is coverting the Netscape portal into a digg like portal, where users vote on stories and the more votes a story gets the higher it appears in the results. They are using editors who make notations or pin stories higher, as well as delete comments and bogus articles from some of the haters out there. It’s interesting only because as a webmaster, we are always looking for more visitors and another site that can send them your way is always good, especially if it already has millions of viewers each month, at last count, 811 million page views a month. The other thing the are doing different is adding many categories that digg does not cover, yes I know their new version will, but it’s not out yet. Interesting take, I really, really do not like how they frame the site instead of sending visitors straight there, but they may change this if everyone makes sure their websites busts out of frames. Also, whoever does their servers and DNS should make sure that beta.netscape.com works just like www.beta.netscape.com, right now it doesn’t work without the www. Check it out.

Be the first to comment - What do you think?  Posted by Jimmy Daniels - June 15, 2006 at 10:09 am

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